Farm Team Usage

[Steve]

This issue with regards to how we use our Farm teams seemed to be quite a hot button topic amongst the GMs here in the GMHL. Therefore we are going to vote on how we intend to use our Farm team in the future.

Some GMs believe that they should be able to use their Farm teams as they see fit. They adamantly believe that they should be able to use any of their assets any way they want. If a player is on your team, how can you consider this to be streaming when you are only using the players that you have available to you?

Other GMs believe that calling up players on a near daily basis is, for all intents and purposes, the same thing as streaming. They believe that there should be limits on the maximum number of moves a team can make in a week or how long a player that is called up on the Farm should remain on the Pro team before they can be sent back to the Farm.

This vote is simply a yes or a no.

If the voters could express their opinion below, it would help guage what is in the best interests of the league.

[phillycrunchgm]

I voted "no" but I will go with the majority on this one. I think if you've built for this year or the next one you'll have the ability to stream and do as you see fit. However, if others disagree you can Bite Me but I will go along ;-)

[Deleted]

Like I said in an earlier post, I was the first one to bring this issue up, and imo if something was to have been done it should have been done then (month ago) since then I have assumed we were staying with the status quo, and have begun to build my team around the current system.

So I have voted no to changing the farm system for this upcoming season. I would suggest discussing a change for the 14/15 season. That way it gives people a full season to adjust there teams accordingly.

[Steve]

Anthony, I believe I said all along that there would be a vote on this issue. If you were unsure of what may be transpiring in the league going forward, you could have dropped me a line on YIM, by e-mail or via a PM, as I am on-line every day.

If you, or anyone for that matter, thinks that I am remiss in addressing any issues, or, if you feel that it is nigh high on time to put something to a vote, please let me know soonest and I will address your concerns without further delay.

I don't think that much has really happened in the league since this issue was first brought up, so I don't really see the point of delaying a change if that is what a majority of the GMs want to do. With the vote currently being 3-2 in favour of not changing anything, we may well end up staying with the status quo.

There is still over 4 months before the next season begins and our draft likely won't happen until July, if not later, so every team has more than enough time, imo, to tweak their lineups appropriately.

[Deleted]

As admin help I don't want my vote to sway anyone else but I will give my opinion as I both like and hate streaming.
Like the startegic part for sure cuz that's what the farm is for. But I hate the countless amount of transactions and roster updates that take place every week.
My thought was just to set a limit whether it be weekly or yearly for games played by position like we do with the minimum GP for goalies.

[Stu]

i agree with glenn. i think there should be a weekly or yearly limit. How much is the question? sounds like we'll need another vote on that if needed, lol

[Deleted]

Isn't that what the farm is for, to bring players up and down as we need them? This is a catch 22. Lots of work for Steve and Glenn as far as all the updates go for sure.

I personally don't care which way the vote goes

[Deleted]

I don't honestly see issues with movement of Farm Team eligible players to major league rosters and back. Honestly not sure why the discussion or vote on streaming, as its GOING to happen based on teams rosters. The ONLY way to manage this in YAHOO is to limit player moves on a weekly basis. I would suggest that be the basis for the vote, not streaming. If a team cannot move players from farm team to major league rosters, kinda defeats for reason/purpose for a farm team at all.

I know one league I am in limits every team to 5 rosters moves a week. That would seem fair to address any possible IR issues and roster filling from Farm Teams.

That just my .02 cents....

[Deleted]

This is quite the interesting debate. In a sense using the farm team to increase the season total of games played is seemingly no different than using the waiver wire to pick up free agents to increase games played over the season. This is obviously done to increase the probability of winning the weekly match-ups, ultimately the goal of this pool. The difference between an NHL team's farm system is that each team only plays 82 games, regardless of the use of their farm team players. Its a choice they make to remove a current NHLer for a farm player, but doesn't increase their players total GP over one season.

I don't think we should compare this to the NHL as the systems are too different. Their farm teams are used differently and we all draft accordingly. A player like Yakupov or Huberdeau over a Ryan Murray is of greater value fantasy wise (in a sense) as they are more NHL ready and contribute sooner. In reality, Ryan Murray may end up as a more complete and overall better NHL player, but not reflected in his fantasy game. That's the difference between an NHL draft and ours. I won't speak for everyone, but I am sure that this crosses many GMs mind during the draft.

Simply put, I don't think we should cap it as it isn't required to reflect the NHLs system. We use the farm system to help us win week to week matchups and also to help keep our team competitive in the long run. I just don't feel this is something we should limit or interfere with. We draft these players to help our team, so lets let them help. Any time they can.

[Deleted]

Amen Matt. I couldn't have said it any better. Lets use our farm teams as they were meant to be used for. Up and down when we see fit

[ducksfan19]

I voted no because we've had this rule all last season and for those that were in the IFHL for 2 years. It is just another way to manage your team and try to beat the other squad.

[jcuozzo]

why not just extend the rosters then? I think we should cap each player @ 4 (or less)with a total of moves . So Stamkos couldnt go back down after the 4th move. The moves stay with him if traded

[Deleted]

May 29, 2013 12:48:05 GMT -5 @jcuozzo said:

why not just extend the rosters then? I think we should cap each player @ 4 (or less)with a total of moves . So Stamkos couldnt go back down after the 4th move. The moves stay with him if traded

No offence but that is a horrible idea.

[Deleted]

The reason we instituted the NHL GP limit of 100/50 for farm players was to rid us of the age limit. This has only been in use now for 1 half season and is working well as in the "before league" I could stream regulars like Duchene for 4-5 years when they entered the NHL at 19 or 20. Let's ride it out over a full season.



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[Ryan]

"It is de-cided" Pete - The League

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDxZ1qMeSA0

[Steve]

well the league has spoken.

[Ryan]

Do NHL playoff GP count towards the 100/50 GP limit for farm team eligibility?

[Deleted]

I don't think so.

[Deleted]

Just the regular season games played. Street hockey games during the summer or on XBox/PS3 don't count either.

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[Steve]

Jun 3, 2013 9:20:02 GMT -5 Ryan said:

Do NHL playoff GP count towards the 100/50 GP limit for farm team eligibility?

No, not at all. It is regular season only. Yahoo will list career stats as regular season games played only as do many other sites. You should always be able to see separate numbers so it is easy to determine GPs for all players.