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Post by Ryan on Apr 24, 2014 20:30:10 GMT -5
Sounds like we need to come up with a handful of scenarios and put this to vote. Maybe converge on 3 possible changes and vote?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 8:25:07 GMT -5
honestly just leave it as is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 9:22:53 GMT -5
Has anyone seen where Lee had Lucas tied up?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 10:52:58 GMT -5
I mean, if its changed people will still be able to stream their farm players up and down right... The whole thing with fantasy should be that the best put together, skill-wise, team wins the championship. Not the person who found a technical loophole and exploited it. I can see where certain guys are coming from but I don't think that goes with the spirit of the game we call fantasy hockey brothers. I know I'd be pretty ticked if I was up like 7-4 and lost the last 2 days because someone used 8-10 pickups in the last 2 days. I'd also feel undeserving and low if I was to do that to someone else. I'd feel like I didn't deserve the championship cuz my team was not the best team in the matchup/league, it was the worse of the two teams and I would feel like I technically cheated just to win some money. I also think that cutting down on playoff streaming would make for a better trade deadline. Teams who would stream in playoffs would know that they had to make 1 or 2 key moves with a non-playoff team(s) to guarantee they go deep into the playoffs. Like I said I like the idea. But if the majority is against it, maybe we lower the prize pool for the playoffs a little bit and put more emphasis on payouts for the top 3-4 teams at the end of the FH Regular Season. That's just my take on this issue brothers. Hopefully my two cents doesn't piss anyone off lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 11:18:41 GMT -5
Another idea that could be implemented is that if the majority is against these changes than we could have a farm freeze during the playoffs and teams can still do their FA streaming. But you wouldn't be able to stream your farms for playoffs. Maybe make it a "choose one or the other" type scenario for the rule change... I know some guys will still be against this though cuz it still limits their streaming somewhat...
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Post by Steve on Apr 25, 2014 18:19:31 GMT -5
In the interest of settling these issues now before the roster freeze ends, we are just going to tweak the rules here with regards to FA acquisitions during the season. All teams will be able to use all their roster moves as they see fit; however, the total FA moves will only be 25 next year.
This helps address Glenn's and my concerns regarding streaming during the playoffs, but it still allows all teams maximum flexibility in using these FA pick ups. It is interesting to note that most teams were at or under 25 roster moves by the time the playoffs started, so dropping to 25 moves should not be to much of an imposition on any team.
Glenn had a look at the numbers behind all the roster moves during the playoffs and he says that as far as he could determine, these moves did not change the results of any match up.
We've also decided to cap the IR+ moves at 4 instead of 5 like I originally proposed. This takes us back to the number we originally had set in this league. The only real difference for everyone now is that you do not have to wait for Yahoo to designate your player as being on the injured reserve; rather, any player that is day-to-day will now be eligible for IR+.
Hopefully, in the interest of compromise, most GMs will be able to support these two minor changes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 18:35:42 GMT -5
When I did the math regarding the bench and 2nd goalie allocation (which we voted in last season) The 2nd goalie slot accounts for 16.5% (if used fully) of the weekly stats which is the equivalent of 5 moves on the season hence the motion from 30 moves to 25 moves. The exclusive IR+ spots work better as most are listed on Yahoo as DTD for an extended period of time before they are changed to IR thru Yahoo anyway. So to me that's a no brainer (insert random Lee joke here) as a benefit to everyone as a lot of man games were lost due to injuries last season as Ryan (Ajax) can relate as he was hit mostly all season. Good luck brothers with yer trade endeavors starting tomorrow. Sent from my Nexus S using proboards
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Post by Ryan on Apr 25, 2014 19:17:36 GMT -5
I'm happy with this, thanks for your efforts Steve and Glenn!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 10:49:28 GMT -5
I was happy with whatever to be honest. Hope I don't lose in playoffs next year due to a GM picking up guys like Torres and Crombeen on last day lol. We shall see. May lose the matchup but will know in my head that I still have the better team(depending who i'm playing) hahaha. Good luck in the offseason brothers. Can't wait to compete in this league next year!!
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Post by Stu on Apr 26, 2014 10:53:56 GMT -5
thanks guys
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 10:55:55 GMT -5
Works for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 11:22:41 GMT -5
my two cents:
Steve,
I like the idea of increasing the farm to 20. Expanding the roster to 27 players is also fine with, given that the increase will be in the capacity of goaltenders. However, I am not overly fond of the idea of having 5 IR+ spots. I felt that the combination of IR and IR+ slots gave the league a more NHL feel, in the sense that if a player is injured in the short term (DTD), we could use an IR+ slot. If they were injured in the long-term (IR or LTIR), they could use an IR slot.I feel that teams may use all 5 IR+ spots for 5 players who are injured for a short or very short term (DTD).
In the NHL, when a player is out for 5-8 days, they will tend to roster a player sitting in the press box (a healthy scratch), which is similar to our BN. They will not necessarily have a player come up from the minors, although this is not uncommon practice. But they rarely go out and sign Free Agents, which is something the IR+ slot could allow GMs to do and in part promote streaming.
I think a combination of the two - maybe 2 IR and 3 IR+ slots - would be best. This means that with some players DTD, teams can get relief in their line up by exclusively using the IR+ slot or BN that given player. And when someone is out for a significant amount time and Yahoo places them on the IR accordingly, teams will be able to explore more longterm options for a fill in (a good young prospect or FA).
This are just my thoughts on how the IR+ slot could be used in negative way and promote bad rostering habits.
Ultimately, I am fine with the decision Steve and Glenn have made. I think it is fair for the teams, especially those who had many man games lost. However, I just felt I had a due diligence to express these thoughts. Thanks for listening gents and looking forward to the roster freeze being lifted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 11:38:36 GMT -5
If anything I would say 3 IR+ and 1 IR. But personally I like the idea of 4 IR+
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Post by Steve on Apr 26, 2014 11:58:57 GMT -5
my two cents: Steve, I like the idea of increasing the farm to 20. Expanding the roster to 27 players is also fine with, given that the increase will be in the capacity of goaltenders. However, I am not overly fond of the idea of having 5 IR+ spots. I felt that the combination of IR and IR+ slots gave the league a more NHL feel, in the sense that if a player is injured in the short term (DTD), we could use an IR+ slot. If they were injured in the long-term (IR or LTIR), they could use an IR slot.I feel that teams may use all 5 IR+ spots for 5 players who are injured for a short or very short term (DTD). In the NHL, when a player is out for 5-8 days, they will tend to roster a player sitting in the press box (a healthy scratch), which is similar to our BN. They will not necessarily have a player come up from the minors, although this is not uncommon practice. But they rarely go out and sign Free Agents, which is something the IR+ slot could allow GMs to do and in part promote streaming. I think a combination of the two - maybe 2 IR and 3 IR+ slots - would be best. This means that with some players DTD, teams can get relief in their line up by exclusively using the IR+ slot or BN that given player. And when someone is out for a significant amount time and Yahoo places them on the IR accordingly, teams will be able to explore more longterm options for a fill in (a good young prospect or FA). This are just my thoughts on how the IR+ slot could be used in negative way and promote bad rostering habits. Ultimately, I am fine with the decision Steve and Glenn have made. I think it is fair for the teams, especially those who had many man games lost. However, I just felt I had a due diligence to express these thoughts. Thanks for listening gents and looking forward to the roster freeze being lifted. Well said Matt. As you probably already know, the IR+ slot will allow you to put players that are DTD and IR in this slot, so it offers the most flexibility. If there is a groundswell of support that believes we should have 3 IR+ plus 1 IR or 2 and 2, I have no problem with that either. 4 IR+ was chosen because it gives all GMs the most flexibility in managing their lineups. The bad side of IR+ is that you may be tempted to use up your FA acquisitions a little quicker, which makes it a bit of a double edged sword.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 18:28:44 GMT -5
I like the 4 IR+ spots
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